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good morning good evening and good

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afternoon james randy

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good morning uh it is morning it's just

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8 30 in the morning and

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sun is shining brightly and we haven't

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got a hurricane at the moment so

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let's move on while we can things are

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looking good

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uh now if you don't mind randy i'll ask

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you right at the start

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how's your health because i know you had

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a few problems earlier in the year

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well very good actually richard i am

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making a remarkable recovery i

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just had the privilege of speaking with

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a an md

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uh who happened upon me the other day it

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had a triple bypass mine was only a

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double so he had one bypass on me

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and he said that uh looking at me since

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this happened to me the beginning of

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february

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that i was doing remarkably well and he

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was quite amazed at a guy

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78 years of age i i liable my age

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that i was doing as well as i am and

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i am recovering very nicely and i'm

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rather surprised myself but i'm doing

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the regular workouts at the gym

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i i recommend exercise i've never

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involved myself in it before

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but now a mild sweat is not all that bad

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and not too difficult to work out

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that's that's fantastic i'm delighted to

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hear that i'm sure our listeners are

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delighted to hear that too

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now let me um concentrate for the moment

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on your

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adventures your various adventures here

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in australia for our

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australian listeners you've had many

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visits to australia and we're always

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glad to see you

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i think your first if i'm not mistaken

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was around about

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1980 where you conducted some very

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famous water divining tests

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yes that was at the invitation of our

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good friend dick smith of course and

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in the sydney area we we set up some

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we're a little bit naive in those days

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richard i must say

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um but uh not naive enough that we did

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bad

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tests it's just that we could have done

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tests which were more

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um produced more evidence i always like

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to design tests that show more than they

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were designed to show

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in the first place uh and uh i'm

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rather on to that now i know how to go

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about it but uh

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dick said oh there were some fabulously

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funny things that happened that

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i don't know if they're on record

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anywhere and

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i'll share one of them with you if i may

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uh dick

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smith now uh

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well you know dick very well yeah all of

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australia knows him and

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and dick gathered with me uh

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at his office we were at his office and

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we had i believe 11 dowsers in the

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office all of whom had participated

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and we laid out the charts and we

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revealed to them that they had

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failed grandly and there was much

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shaking of heads and

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astonishment that they hadn't succeeded

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in winning the prize and

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coming up for uh worldwide notoriety

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and uh so dick and i looked at one

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another as if to say oh these poor chaps

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you know which which is true they're

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they're genuinely interested and

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generally convinced

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that they can do this sort of thing and

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um

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they were they were just dismayed rather

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than angry i think

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and shaking their heads and dick asked

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them the critical question

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he said uh of all of you here how many

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still believe you have the power to

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douse now

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i must interrupt here the fact that they

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had failed on this test

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doesn't mean by by any means that they

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can't do it it just meant that at this

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this particular example in this

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definitive test they couldn't do it

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so they all shot their hands up right

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away no hesitation

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and dick sort of looked at me and raised

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his eyebrows as if to say well

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sort of what we expected then one

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gentleman started to draw his hand down

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slowly and dick pointed at him and said

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you there he said that why have you

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withdraw on your hand

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and the fellow said quite honestly

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looking around little um easily he said

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well i'd have to reconsider now perhaps

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i just don't have the ability that i

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believed i had

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and the rest of them were a little

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grumpy looking at that

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and uh dick turned to me they left short

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very shortly after that

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and dick turned to me and he he giggled

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in his way as only dick smith can do

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a serious giggle of course uh and he

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we got one out of 11. we've never gotten

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a score like that before he said you

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we get zero out of eleven zero out of

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any number

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and i said ah dick give him a chance

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give him a week or so

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and he'll get in touch with you and

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he'll have a reason for having failed

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that that won't encompass the fact that

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he can't doubt

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and i was wrong on that however he

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called back within the hour

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uh this in the days before mobile phones

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and such and he called

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from a public phone somewhere down the

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road and he said uh

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mr smith mr randy i figured out why it

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was it was because of the walkie-talkies

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that you used at the time

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they gave out radio frequencies you see

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and that interfered with their power to

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doubt

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and he sighed and hung up the phone uh

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so we had scored zero on that and dixor

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looked at me blankly and i said dick

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didn't i tell you i was wrong on the

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estimation of the amount of time

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but there you are but doubters are

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unthinkable they

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really are yeah yes dick did a very good

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job that phil adams was in on it and uh

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it it was very well done i i thought and

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and you do see uh dick had his giggling

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best in there i must say

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yes another man who fronted up with some

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money to support you at the time

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uh was the late richard carlton from our

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version of 60 minutes

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very sorry and very sad to hear that uh

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he died a few months ago

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my yes and so unexpected i i would have

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given him a vitality that would carry

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him another 30 or 40 years

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myself and he was of course and

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here we come back to another adventure

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with you in australia

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he was of course uh one of the people

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behind the famous

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carlos hoax yes yes he was in fact uh

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essentially richard's idea uh to

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sum it up very quickly uh i got a call

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from um

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i guess it was channel nine was it uh

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yeah that's right

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and they said they were interested in

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investigating the channelers that were

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infesting australia at the time

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and may still be for all i know and he

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the first on the phone said can you

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prove that the channelers are fake i

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said no but i can indicate that anyone

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can do it

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and that should go a long way to which

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towards showing that it's not

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necessarily a supernatural event

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and the fellows seem quite interested in

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that and uh i enlisted

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my good friend jose alvarez the artist

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several other people gathered uh not to

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expect the phone call it came right in

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the middle of our supper as a matter of

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uh i said jose you want to go to

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australia and do this and the other

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he thought about it for a minute he said

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yes sounds like an interesting project

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i must say that jose did a beautiful job

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of it again that's another famous

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report and again listeners can see that

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whole incident online

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can see what effect the famous carlos

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channeled spirit from thousands of years

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people well i wouldn't say phil

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little more ambitious than we wanted to

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get but no it we had a substantial crowd

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of believers there were fingering their

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beads and they had amulets on

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all kinds of things strange looking

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about the whole thing

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very strange uh i must say that um

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you know dick is such a moving dick

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smith is such a moving power behind this

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kind of thing

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we owe him a great uh debt of thanks

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he was in there uh he and richard carl

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were in their feet first right away they

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didn't hesitate whatsoever

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and uh and phil adams says well uh these

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have been people

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to whom the australian public i think

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owes a debt of thanks

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oh absolutely right of course dick is

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still carrying on with all sorts of

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amazing adventures and

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uh campaigns and he's a man who puts

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australia first which

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endears him to many australians i think

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oh yes indeed and uh

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what what better cause can we think of

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than putting your country first

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on your various adventures to australia

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i must get to this one and i think it

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was around about the same time as

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the 1980 water divining test was your

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famous

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incident on the don lane show don lane

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met with me this was when the doris

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still sing was very active and don lane

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completely collapsed into her lappy he

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the best thing since sliced bread and

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he certainly advertised that on his

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he called me and uh asked if i would be

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i said yes but we have to have a bit of

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a conference first well

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uh so i went to melbourne on the plane i

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met a number of people who

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recognized me because i'd been on tv

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quite a bit and i said i was going to do

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the don lane show and they all

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were highly amused at that and i didn't

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quite know why but when i got there i

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met with don lane in his office

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with this producer and i said now mr

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lane i'm not here

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to be a clown i'm not going to go in and

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do the spoon bending thing and the key

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bending thing and the reading the sealed

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envelope thing

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as erie geller does uh we're here to

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talk about

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doris stokes i believe he said oh yes

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yes yes no problem no problem

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i said because doing these tricks just

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shows that anybody can do these tricks

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that they have a

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modicum of skill in conjuring techniques

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and he said

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oh yes yes yes agreed with that and i

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said fine okay then let's get down to it

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and we discussed what we were going to

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talk about

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concerning doris stokes so i went back

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to the hotel

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uh roughed it up and prepared myself for

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the program went to the studio

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and i got there a bit early and i was

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wondering about backstage and the prop

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man came over

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well mr magnificent will these spoons be

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sufficient

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and he showed me a collection of spoons

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and keys

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and i said yes that appears they'll be

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just

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fine thank you of course i knew now that

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lane was trying to pull a fast one on me

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and indeed that's exactly what he did i

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appeared to be very surprised and

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even reminded him that he had said we

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weren't going to do any

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spoon or key bending but this was his uh

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little trick that he was playing on me

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tricking the magician you see how clever

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he ended up

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really angry as you will see from the

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results of the

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the videotape he was infuriated i mean

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he turned white right in front of me

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because i was able to get away with it

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there's no question of it

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i got away with it he was either quite

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uh

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taken aback and stormed off the set et

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cetera well we'll let people look at the

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video it's very amusing it is

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it is indeed and still as i say it still

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uh invokes a lot of comment and in fact

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it was rebroadcast only about two or

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three weeks ago on australian tv as one

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of the great famous moments in the last

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50 years of television so

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i would wonder whether you have very

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many famous moments in australian

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television that i don't know i

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i trust other things came before it but

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i must say

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also um richard i was called into

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well i think i did it by remote control

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here

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from florida but uh when they did some

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sort of a thing like

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online revisited or something they did

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some sort of a tribute to them

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and they called me and asked for my

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contribution and my closing line on it

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uh after saying that you know there was

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a misunderstanding and

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we had a good time after all and i said

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oh by the way don

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and then i gave him the two-word command

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that he had given me

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and i had i had to get the dig in and

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uh your listeners will appreciate that

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if they take a look at the page they'll

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see his

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parting words an amazing coincidence

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happened to me a few years ago with don

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lane i was

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at a venue for unrelated reason and don

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lane was there and he's a very

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outgoing man and he was running around

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shaking everybody's hand and

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saying how do you do he came up to me

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and shook my hand and then he

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looked at my jacket and there on my

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lapel

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was the james randy educational

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foundation's

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pegasus and i told him what it was

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because he was

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curious about it and uh he had a very

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good laugh so i think he has some good

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memories of the time

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as well our encounter is remembered so i

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guess he has good reason to

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remember it well i guess he does

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i i now i'd like to touch just briefly

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if i may on

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what has been a great influence for me

389
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and i'm sure many other people

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are simply the uh the number of books or

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the quality of books may i say that

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you've produced from

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the truth about yuri gala or originally

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the magic of irigella i think

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to flim flam to the mask of nostradamus

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to the faith healers

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i i couldn't pick a favorite amongst

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those but i think flim flam is

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often tagged as one of the the

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highlights

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well flimflam was my second book uh the

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the magic of regular or the truth about

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her yeller as it was

404
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subsequently called in a later edition

405
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uh with my first book

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and uh flimflam followed then

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immediately

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on that flimflam i think was my most

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successful book i

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couldn't do a count on it but uh i know

411
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that it sold

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something like 200 and something

413
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thousand copies

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uh in the years that it's been in print

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and it's used in

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many college courses as required reading

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and suggested reading uh because it

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pretty well covers the whole field

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everything from ufos through

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uh crops well no crop circles weren't

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around it at that time

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uh but through um the von daniken uh

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farce and and it just

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the the scope of the book is rather

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large i rather stretch myself out thin

426
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there i had to

427
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keep a lot of material but i thought the

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book would have been far too thick i

429
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really want to redo it but one of these

430
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days it needs to be redone

431
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but i'm trying to get the rights to the

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book back so that i can do it on my own

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and at my own speed

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yeah a marvelous book if if listeners

435
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haven't read that i certainly

436
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sincerely recommend flim flam if i was

437
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to choose a personal favorite however

438
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uh flim flam certainly am up there

439
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amongst them

440
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but i particularly enjoyed the mask of

441
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nostradamus and i got particularly angry

442
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whilst reading the faith healers you

443
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must still get a lot of correspondence

444
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over these things

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uh not all the faith healers the faith

446
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healers

447
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didn't make any excitement whatsoever

448
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because

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people already knew that the faith

450
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haters

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couldn't do what they said they could do

452
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uh read it and said yeah okay

453
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uh you know it was no revelation to them

454
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but the faithful

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uh rejected it completely of course i i

456
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:34,320
occasionally get

457
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some male saying that i'm going straight

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to hell because of that

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and i always write back and say well

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i'll be with friends anyway

461
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the the hatred that was worked up for me

462
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because i was

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calling this good man of god this

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swindler peter popoff

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uh for what he really was he's back on

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television you know and

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uh they come right back because people

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don't

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want the kind of thing that i outlined

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in

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flimflam

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as a matter of fact they don't want it

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they prefer to have the woo-woo

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and that that comforts them in some way

475
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so people can't be educated in certain

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directions and

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once they've reached a certain point

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that's a point of no return

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and they will never drop back into the

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rational world

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if they were ever in there in the first

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place uh now i see the next

483
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amazing meeting will be coming up in

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january of next year in las vegas

485
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this is number five

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when you held the amazing meeting number

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one

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did you think that would be the only

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meeting or did you think there would be

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more

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well as soon as we started to get the

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reaction and the registration started to

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pour in

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um i felt that it had to be an annual

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event and

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it certainly is from now on as long as

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we can run it as long as i can run it

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that is and um

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my successors as well because um we had

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over 800 people this uh

501
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this last year and richard i must say

502
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that uh was most edifying uh

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they they tore down the the casino and

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hotel

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after we left not because we were there

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uh they were already planning to do that

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but we had to uh scurry around to find a

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place big enough to accommodate our

509
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next audience and registrations are

510
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happening at a good rate

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and we always have had people from

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australia

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uh in some cases like two to four of

514
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them or whatever in

515
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some cases larger contingents and of

516
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course always welcome

517
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uh it's very uh flattering to think that

518
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we can draw people from

519
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those distances uh in past years we've

520
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had people from japan and china

521
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uh as well as australia and people from

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south america from peru

523
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from all over europe we always have a

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large uk contingent coming in

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and many of our speakers are from the uk

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as well

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particularly um richard wiseman of

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course

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a wonderful gentleman i mean without him

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i don't think

531
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the amazing meeting as we call it tam

532
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would be complete

533
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yes and it's often said that richard

534
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wiseman is

535
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dr phil plates evil clone

536
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well you know we did have a good stunt

537
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this last year

538
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it was pretty funny uh wiseman and

539
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kimono

540
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was introduced came out on stage uh he

541
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had a dark red shirt on and

542
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uh beige uh slacks i believe and

543
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he went to the podium he started his

544
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talk and he went into powerpoint

545
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and there were some illustrations a bit

546
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of video on the screen and he stepped

547
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aside and at the end of the powerpoint

548
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he got a round of applause and

549
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:37,200
he walked back on again stepped over the

550
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podium and started speaking

551
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and people said what what's going on it

552
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was phil played

553
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because old blade had gone out with him

554
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:46,480
and shopped for the same trousers and

555
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this

556
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the same dark red shirt and uh

557
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,400
they looked so identical the audience

558
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,240
was really titillated by that to say the

559
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,000
least they had been deceived

560
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but as soon as they heard richard

561
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wiseman's voice of course the accent was

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gone

563
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and they thought that wiseman had uh had

564
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departed his senses in some way

565
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but it was a it was a good stunt and

566
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very funny and the two of them did a

567
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little dance

568
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afterwards uh sort of

569
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acapella and whatever it was fun

570
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and we we try to do that thing at the

571
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amazing meeting

572
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as well as being educational as we say

573
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entertaining as well as educational

574
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i'm sure it is well finally uh

575
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randy what in your opinion is your

576
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greatest

577
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:34,799
success oh well uh

578
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what happens richard is one just came

579
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in two days ago as a matter of fact i

580
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wish i had it here i might

581
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read a bit of it i get letters every now

582
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and then some of them are on email and

583
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some other actual postal letters

584
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that arrive that usually start out like

585
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uh

586
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you made a big difference in my life mr

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randy because at one time

588
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and they go through a description of how

589
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they were

590
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uh deluded by the so-called paranormal

591
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and uh religious claims and whatnot that

592
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that were uh dragging them down into

593
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uh irrationality and they say that they

594
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got a book of mine

595
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i had oh i wish i had it had it just in

596
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the other room

597
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i've forgotten the name of the gentleman

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he's a surgeon

599
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now and he dropped by uh a matter of a

600
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few months ago

601
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with a briefcase inside he said mr randy

602
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you don't know me but uh

603
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you know you made a big difference to my

604
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life and he told me the story that uh

605
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he had a copy of flimflam very well

606
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thumbed

607
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i assure you and with with bits of paper

608
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,159
stuck in it all over the place and

609
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comments in the margin some not very

610
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flattering to me

611
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and uh he said you know i got two-thirds

612
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the way through the book and i suddenly

613
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looked at myself in the mirror and said

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hey he's right

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and that revelation is is something that

616
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hits people sometimes

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between the eyes and not always of

618
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course but sometimes it does and he said

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i was intending to be a parapsychologist

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he said this was

621
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many years ago he said so i decided i'm

622
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going to be a surgeon an

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abdominal surgeon and i'm at the local

624
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hospital barry general hospital just

625
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down the street from us here

626
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and he said anytime you want abdominal

627
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surgeries and i i hope you don't have to

628
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have it but

629
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you know i might give you a reduced rate

630
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and so i've taken that

631
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i put his name up on the bullet board

632
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just in case i get appendicitis or

633
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something i'll

634
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give him a call right away no

635
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interestingly enough he changed his

636
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profession his entire profession

637
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,679
he went into science but he went into

638
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science that really works

639
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that's really flattering and very very

640
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satisfying richard

641
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that's that's the victory uh that i have

642
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,640
it's spread out

643
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over many people over many years in many

644
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,320
different countries

645
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and reach being able to reach out and

646
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,000
touch people like that

647
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is a huge measure of success i believe

648
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well long may you be able to continue

649
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doing what you're doing

650
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and i think people will be inspired for

651
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decades

652
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and uh centuries to come well

653
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thank you and my books will stay on the

654
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shelves i hope and

655
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will be perpetuated when the sun goes

656
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nova then

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i give up you know james the amazing